Panda3d -vs- C4 Engine

Hi,
As far as …

  1. General Game Quality/ability
  2. video quality & shader
  3. Critical Engine Features
  4. Game engine speed
  5. General ease of implementation

How does Panda3D compare to the C4 game engine (www.terathon.com)

I dont care about cost or Licensing. just the other important engine features
specificly the ones mentioned above.

Thanks,

1, 2, 4 are really more up to your coding abilities over the engine. Engine features and ease of implementation are listed in the manual.

Your answer has nothing to do with my questions, Everything in life is dependent on ability.

Ug… Just some advise, before you answer a post, you should understand that everything
made by man is a TOOL and requires ability.

If no one knows anything about C4 thats fine. At least, I understand why…

Its basicly the same reason as losing all your teeth because you were to stupid to learn how to use the TOOL.

But then again, I could see where you might be right, maybe it was because you were just to lazy. (Go Figure)

-Areal Person

This is coming from the person too lazy to do their own research?
You are here asking for help, check your attitude at the door.
The reply is valid, “general game quality” has no dependency on a game engine.
Read the manual for an extensive list of engine features, and view the samples provided with the SDK in regard to ease of implementation. Panda can use both Cg and GLSL shaders, and has an optional multi-threaded rendering pipeline. As for the corresponding information about the C4 engine, I would recommend getting that from the C4 engine website using your web browser tool.

Oh boy. Let’s try to keep our tempers in check, let’s?

Croxis’ reply was valid. Your questions are vague and not really dependent on the engine’s abilities. “General Game Quality” is vague and subjective, and doesn’t really depend on the engine - it depends on the artistic style, the artwork, the shaders, the programming, etc. You can create a horrible looking game in a really good engine and a good-looking game in a really bad engine.

“video quality & shader” - Panda supports pretty much any shader complexity your GPU can handle. It has more to do with your graphics programmers’ abilities to code up a shader that creates a cool-looking effect.

“Critical Engine Features” - which features are you talking about? Critical for which tasks? Panda3D has a lot of features, many of which are listed on the features page.

“Game engine speed” - the core of Panda3D is written in C++ for speed, it provides many optimisation features. But since the performance will be mostly limited by the code and shaders that you put into the engine, Panda3D provides performance analysis tools that will help you track down bottlenecks in your code.

“General ease of implementation” - Panda3D prides itself on being easy to use and get started with. With Python, you can develop very rapidly, which is why Panda3D is also a great choice for rapid prototyping.

Thanks for the specific info.

You got to realize, My subject was “Panda3d -vs- C4 Engine

No one has been on point about that.

Saying “You’r to vague”, is really saying “I don’t know how to answer that question.”

But most offten, it’s because, your trying to answer a question that your not qualified to be addressing to begin with.

It’s not what you do, It’s the way you do it that really matters. (Just ask you favorite politician)

for example.

It’s like your saying, you cannot compare the basic quality of the different tools because they both address the same problem.

Thats, very stupid.

But yet you said this…

“Croxis’ reply was valid. Your questions are vague and not really dependent on the engine’s abilities. “General Game Quality” is vague and subjective,”

Everything is always vauge to someone who really is not good with the subject matter.

Have you really done anything with the C4 engine ?

-Thanks,

(This post is pretty long, so I’m breaking it up into sections separated by tildes.)

First, I think that you’re right in saying that you haven’t had an answer comparing C4 and Panda.

I suspect that the reason for this is simply that this forum is fairly small and largely populated by people who have chosen Panda as their development engine: people with experience using C4 are likely to be relatively few here.

On top of that, I’m not sure of how widespread the use of C4 is – if you had asked for a comparison with Unity, for example, you might have had better results.

Have you tried asking your questions on a larger, more general forum? If not, perhaps do so – GameDev.net might be a good place to start.

(On that note, if I may ask a side-question, why do you choose C4 in particular?)

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As to your specific points:

I’ll note that I don’t think that I’ve used C4 myself, but might nevertheless have something to add:

1) General Game Quality/ability
Here I think that I agree in part with both you and those who have replied to you: I think that in some cases one engine might either aid or impede development more than another; for example, one can make a platformer in Adeventure Game Studio, but I imagine that it’s rather harder than making an adventure game.

That said, for a fairly general game engine like Panda or Unity the quality of the final game likely depends rather more on the skill, patience and perseverance of the developer than on the engine itself. There are likely exceptions one way or the other – very poor engines impeding development, or particularly good ones aiding it – but I’ve seen good games come out of poor engines and poor games coming out of good ones, I do believe.

2) video quality & shader
This question really does seem rather vague to me: Are you asking what shader complexity the engine can handle? (If so, then rdb has already answered for Panda’s side, I believe) What resolutions are supported? (… Unless we were talking about a specialist engine, such as Adventure Game Studio, I’d be surprised if both didn’t support all modern standard resolutions.) How many polygons they can push? (Isn’t this more bound by the graphics card than the engine in most halfway-decent engines?) Something else that I’m missing?

The above isn’t meant disingenuously: I’m really not sure of what you’re asking, not because I don’t know the answers (which I might well not), but because there are multiple ways to interpret your question, it seems to me, and I’m not sure of which one applies.

3) Critical Engine Features
Which features do you consider to be critical? Surely this varies from project to project? After all, a physics puzzle game might require a robust, deterministic physics engine, while a 3D rpg might require a good kinematic character controller.

4) Game engine speed
Answered for Panda’s side by rdb, I think.

5) General ease of implementation
This seems likely to depend heavily on how you prefer to develop, but I think that this question might have the most concrete answer of those that you’ve asked (from my perspective, at least):

I don’t know much about C4’s tools, but I will say that tools are perhaps one of Panda’s weak points. In particular, Panda lacks a good “scene editor” tool (such as Unity offers); I believe that a community-developed scene editor is under development, and at least partially usable, but I haven’t been following its progress and so don’t know its current status, I fear.

That said, Panda’s use of Python as a scripting language can make for some very smooth implementations. Look, for example, at this Panda “Hello World” program. It’s the first step of the manual’s tutorial program, and simply shows a Panda window, and calls for all of six lines (excluding spaces), I believe.

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I disagree: some questions really are vague.

Consider the question “what is the biggest building in the world?”.

What do we mean by “big”? Are we looking for the tallest? The one that covers the largest surface area? the one with the largest volume? Do basement levels count? And so on. Since the word “big” is poorly defined in this circumstance, the question is poorly defined.

One could, I suppose, answer all of the above, giving a detailed account taking the various interpretations and issues into account, but that’s asking a fair bit of the answerer, it seems to me, and the questioner may have simply wanted the tallest, and so get a highly superfluous response.